these are down to $16,000 when you include federal tax credits. the government encourages you. >> tell us about those? is it worth it to do it for the tax credit? >> it's a good deal. average price is $30,000. you can't go very far on it, not happy in it. i haven't ridden in it. i'm just talking about what consumer reports said. >> you would class it up. >> i would pimp that ride, absolutely. >> what are car manufacturers thinking? is this a big bottom line boost for them or will they back off because they are not earning money on them? >> they are really cutting into their margins. they are doing that because there's no other way to move these things off the lot. again, a lot has to do with gas prices. once they go up we see more demand. prices for other cars are going up. in one month from october to november, on average 3%, 1.1% year over year. these drastic price cuts could get them off the lot. >> would be nice to get into a tesla. >> it's a pretty car. >> as far as the gas prices you're talking about, the gas taxes are going up? >> they coul